Date: April 17, 2013
Location: Secretary of State’s Office, Blue Spruce
Conference Room, 1700 Broadway, Denver, CO
Members present: Dan Gincig, Beau Williams, Tom Bednark, Rick Johnson
Members absent: Vera Craven
Secretary of State officials present: Mike Hardin, Greg Lestikow, Shannon Bee, Brian
Gryth, Lisa Marty, Larry Runn, D.J. Davis
Meeting was called to
order at 10:05 A.M.
The Pledge of Allegiance
was conducted along with a moment of silence for the Boston Marathon tragedy.
A motion was made by Tom Bednark to approve the February 20, 2013, meeting minutes as presented. The motion
was seconded by Chairman Gincig and approved by unanimous vote of the Board.
Potential Board members
Rick Johnson was introduced as the new member of the Board. He is a member of the Longmont Moose #1548.
Pending new board members include Perry Jultak and Donny Glassburn.
Mr. Jultak and Mr. Glassburn’s applications are awaiting signature by
the appropriate appointing authority in the legislature.
Mike Hardin from the Secretary of State’s office introduced the Business
and Licensing Deputy Director, D.J. Williams and Larry Runn, the new Lead Investigator
for charitable and bingo compliance and investigations. These individuals and their positions will
improve project management and help grow the Non Profit Section of the
Mike Hardin introduced Jon Runge of Runge Consulting Group, L.L.C. Mr. Runge was commissioned to perform a study
on the Colorado bingo market for the Secretary of State’s office. Mr. Runge has 30 plus years in marketing,
working 20 of those years with Coors and 10 with American Waterworks. Mr. Runge presented the findings from his 4 ½
month study of bingo which included surveys and interviews with licensees,
landlords, players, non-players, suppliers, other states regulating bingo and
Mr. Runge’s presentation was recorded and will be available on the
Secretary of State’s website along with the PDF of the PowerPoint.
After Mr. Runge’s presentation there were questions including:
Mr. Rick Cody Games Manager for American Legion #161 – wanted to know
how the responses related to the number of licensees. The results were consistent with the number
Others were interested in Mr. Runge’s ideas for next steps. Mr. Runge has provided the Secretary of State’s
office with his recommendations which are being reviewed by the Secretary of State’s
office for any possible constitutional and statutory changes, potential
resource changes and impacts on everyone.
Greg Lestikow is working on this comprehensive plan.
There was discussion about a committee hearing today (4-19-2013)
regarding legislation to allow for electronic-only games and increase the
number of games per occasion. The
casinos are interested in the outcome of this bill because the definition of
the electronic devices in the bill could be considered class 3 devices. Class 3 devices are considered slot machines
and would then be unconstitutional within the realm of bingo.
Mike Hardin addressed his concerns with
regard to holes in the bill especially as they relate to rural organizations,
the gaming commission, and the electronic device definition. Brian Gryth,
attorney for the Secretary of State’s office, discussed the office’s concerns
about the definition and his concern that the Secretary of State or a licensed group
could be sued by the gaming commission because of the ambiguity in the
During the Bingo Advisory Board meeting the 1:30 hearing on proposed
legislation was reported to be laid over for further discussion. At this point it was decided that it would be
in the best interest of everyone to have more communication and to work
together to provide a more comprehensive bill to present to the
Corky Kyle, Executive Director of the Colorado Charitable Bingo
Association will find out when the hearing has been rescheduled and in the
meantime, Greg Lestikow will set up a meeting with the Board and Mr. Kyle to
discuss aspects of a more comprehensive bill.
Keeping with the legislative discussion the progressive raffle bill was
addressed. The progressive raffle bill
has passed the House, is at its second reading in the Senate and will then be
sent to the Governor to sign. The Secretary
of State worked on the fiscal note and with Representative Singer who backed
Marc Rosen representing several licensees at Winners Bingo addressed the
issue of remuneration as several of his players want to “tip” volunteers and
have to be discouraged because of the law regarding remuneration. Rich Schwartz of the Colorado Springs
Children’s Chorale indicated that if any of their volunteers are offered tips,
they advise the individual to instead make it as a donation to the organization
as a whole.
Mr. Rosen was advised that the Secretary of State would look into
tipping and how the law affects this procedure.
The Secretary of State’s office will respond at the next meeting.
Chairman Gincig mentioned the earlier Runge study and the ability of the
Secretary of State to consider pooling fees for advertising. Mike Hardin mentioned it would be in the best
interest of everyone to make sure bingo has a good product before it starts to
advertise. This would include best
practices and other possible changes suggested by Mr. Runge.
The next board meeting was scheduled for July 10, 2013.
Upon the Motion of Beau Williams and the second of Tom Bednark, the
meeting was adjourned.
- SOS: research tipping and report at next board
- SOS: set meeting with board and Mr. Kyle regarding
The next meeting
of the Board will be July 10, 2013.